陈牧：寡人闻，刘邦小人也，其何以取天下？先生教我。
萧凡：臣以为，盖能用人耳，运筹帷幄，决胜千里，其任张良，填国家抚百姓给饷馈，不绝粮道，其任萧何，连百万之众，战必胜攻必取，其任韩信，三者皆人杰也，其能任而用之，坦然无疑，豁达大度，此其所以取天下者也。
陈牧：先生之言是也，寡人受教矣。
chen mu：I heard，Liu Bang is a villain，Why did he win the world？Sir taught me。
xiao fan：I think，The reason for his success is that he is good at using talent，He appointed Zhang Liang to study the battle situation and formulate strategies，He appointed Xiao He to pacify the people and ensure logistics，He appointed Han Xin as commander of the army， in charge of the campaign，They are all outstanding talents，But Liu Bang was able to appoint them，Moreover， Liu Bang trusted them very much，At the same time， Liu Bang has a broad mind，That is why he can win the world。
chen mu：Sir is right，I accept your teachings。
陈牧：寡人欲知，治人之道，先生何以教我？
萧凡：臣以为，治人之道，谓道之风化，陈示所以也，陈之以德义，而民与行，示之以好恶，而民知禁，日月之明，众下仰之，乾坤之广，万物顺之。
陈牧：先生之言是也，寡人受教矣。
chen mu：I want to know，What is the way to govern the people，Sir taught me how to do it？
xiao fan：I think，The key to governing the people is to establish a right social orientation and show the right values，If you promote morality， the people will follow you，You establish normative systems， and the people will know what to do，Only by doing this will the people love you，Only by doing this will all things in heaven and earth recognize you。
chen mu：Sir is right，I accept your teachings。
陈牧：寡人深疾浮华之士，吾欲革之，先生何以教我？
萧凡：臣以为，古者敷奏以言，明试以功，是为考课之法，今考绩之法废，而以毁誉相进退，故真伪浑杂，虚实相蒙也，愿大王复汉唐考